Me? I Speak Lohan.
Hi,I visited your site and found that it’s the biggest website I’ve ever visited.I think logban is an attack to the modern languages such as Turkish,Finnish,German,French,Italian,Spanish and the other modern languages.I also think that you are colonist or imperialist.It’s a good way to have forgotten the main identities and languages of the countries.I absolutely know that language is the most important part of Nationalism.If a country’s hasn’t got it’s own language,the country bound to lose itself.Stop introducing lojban language.Every country use their own language OK? You stated that lojban is an international language.What a silly idea! It’s a good method of Globalization Game. Give up using lojban. Go your roots. I know you will ignore this mail but I’m not stupid and people are not stupid who think samely with me. This is my comment about lojban. No lojban,no globalism,no colonism,no imperialism. You can’t kill our main languages. Bye…………
Submitted by: Robin
“Lojban”? I think he means LOLspeak, and yes, it will kill your main languages. Resistance iz futile.
@crazyemails
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban
Actually, he does make valid points.
Really? Most countries either have Multiple languages spoken or they have one that most people speak, but with many dialects, etc, and learn other languages as well. The US, the alleged “melting pot,” is the only free/modern, country i can think of where people are so arrogant they actually believe in a “national” language, which is especially amusing considering that most other modern nations now speak English also (as well as ???). I guess this is fortunate since we are so uneducated, most U.S. citizens only speak one language, and barely getting by with that. People seriously need to Get Over Themselves.
So, if the funny Latvian me now still keeps on thinking that we, the Latvians, have a national language(that would be Latvian), that puts Latvia in the place where all the non-modern countries live?
Did you know that many, many countries have their national languages?
And what exactly do you mean when you say that “most other modern nations now speak English also”?
I think I should feel insulted on behalf of all the nations in Europe(and I suppose elsewhere too, but I’m European, so I stick to what I know) who consider themselves modern, yet quite frankly can’t claim that the whole nation speaks English.
ha ha ha ha frist
OMG STOP MOCKING ME!
You do know that Lojban is a real language, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban http://www.lojban.org/
you do know you cant take everything you read on wikipedia for granted right?
He actually DOES mean lojban. It’s an invented language (a la esperanto) designed to be logical and easy to learn, check out:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban
I don’t think that the major languages of the world are in any danger, really, but just in case: no globalism,no colonism,no imperialism. You can’t kill our main languages. Bye…………
Lojban’s still easier to understand than English – pidgin or otherwise. Then again, so is Lohan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban
This man has obviously never heard of spacing in between your sentences.
They signed this wrong, I think the author meant to say, “kthxbai!”
Lojban is awesome.
I have been living in China long enough that this email actually sounds normal to me. Good ol’ ESL.
“Lojban (pronounced [ˈloʒban]) is a constructed, syntactically unambiguous human language based on predicate logic. Its predecessor is Loglan, the original logical language by James Cooke Brown.” – Wikipedia
I can haz reel langwidge?
Behold: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban
http://xkcd.com/191/
I think you’re my new hero for the week
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban
Lojban and lolspeak are actually very different things. Lojban is a language based on complete logic. Its words are arranged so that there are never any ambiguities in a statement; there is exactly one way to say every sentence.
This website is better when the e-mails come with a little bit of back story. Why should I think this guy is crazy if I have no idea what website he’s viewing or who he’s e-mailing?
1) He’s emailing a webmaster accusing him of using a made up language to take over the world.
2) He’s accusing the webmaster of being a Colonist or Imperialist, on the basis that he runs said website.
3) He’s got ‘people who believe samely with me.”
Yeah, I think that’s paranoid and crazy whatever the damn source material.
This is not the first e-mail to have no back story. I was merely using it as an example. And obviously he’s crazy. I was just trying to make a point. I like having a blurb to read about the e-mail’s background before I dive into it.
Anybody look up Lojban? It’s an artificial language (much like Esperanto). Fascinating. Of course, the hysteria/worry about someone being an “imperialist/colonist” just cracks me up! EEK! Some group of Geeks that made up a language want to take over the world! EEK! Kia idioto! Ĉiu sci tio Esperanto kaj la Esperanto batalantoj vol alproprig al si la mondo! Bua ha ha!
Your Esperanto is as bad as this guy’s English.
So “Bua ha ha” is the same in English and Esperanto? Who knew…
Lohan?
http://i33.tinypic.com/6xrtc0.jpg
XD
“it’s the biggest website I’ve ever visited”
Yeah, not so much an egoboo. Ooh, your site is sooo big….
I’m really fascinated he can work up so much fear over something like Lojban.
Oh well, he’ll be heartened to know that artificial languages haven’t proven very effective at supplanting pidgins and natural languages, and most aren’t trying to do that anyway.
no colonism……so the mind starts to wonder..never heard it called that before..HA!!
right…no colonism…
i was a wondering about that myself.
Colonism is a direct philosophical descendant of Duodenism…
“If a country’s hasn’t got it’s own language,the country bound to lose itself. Every country use their own language OK?”
Sure. Just as soon as you stop writing in English and start using American. (I guess the counter-argument here is that his spelling and grammar are so bad that it ISN’T English any more and IS American.)
“no colonism”
I happen to like my colonism right where it is, thank you.
I dunno…. A lot of folks I know who came over from England find our American spellings atrocious. And they boggle at the rather limited common vocabulary and pervasive use of neologisms…
It’s not just English speakers from England. Some of us here in the states can’t figure out why so many words get dropped from common use, or why so many spellings are…well, just wrong. Nothing drives me up the wall like “gray” instead of “grey” for instance.
Yes, at one time, I was an English major.
Yeah, like Esperanto, Lojban speakers claim it is more logical than natural languages, and thus easier to learn.
Though this email is a little poorly written (quite possibly from a crazy person), the idea of a universal language is imperialist par excellence. It’s not really “on the basis that he runs a website.”
Looking up Lojban makes this much less funny. Less like a message from a crazy person, more like a message from someone who doesn’t use English often.
A quick read of the Wikipedia site on Lojban makes me think it’s more an academic tool than a language people are actually expected to learn. Take this line: “Currently, Lojban’s learning resources available on the internet are available mainly to speakers of English, French, Spanish, Russian, Hebrew, and Esperanto.” Riiiiight. If you already “speak” Esperanto, you can learn Lojban!
I share the ranter’s concerns about cultural imperialism, but made-up languages are not exactly a significant threat to your culture’s integrity. Please direct your rage at Starbucks and Coca-Cola instead.
For this reason I was surprised that the author chose to vent his spleen at Lojban rather than Esperanto, the latter being a more common target for this particular criticism. The usual counterargument is that widespread adoption of some international language would protect national languages from extinction because communication between the cultures would happen in that language instead of everybody having to learn the national language of the local superpower.
I mean, uh, imperialist dogs! Lojban is the language of Hitler!
Yah….. I can’t imagine any sort of artistic literature being written in a language without ambiguity. You lose a lot of the potential for written humor, and the whole concept of metaphor might go out the window.
They’ve made movies in Esperanto, at least, although I think they were flops (since I hadn’t even heard of them until I looked up Leonard Nimoy on Wikipedia).
Then, maybe you would be surprised to know that writing poetry in lojban is so easy that anyone can do it.
Fail. Lojban is an actual language. The writer is not not talking about “lolspeak”
Is it a computer language? I wiki’d it but nao i has confused.
Fail for taking it too seriously.
No, I agree. This one is silly, but not too crazy.
Ignored? Certainly not! We must post it to a website specifically designed for such an email! All shall have the chance to read it!
The author was visiting http://www.lojban.org, which I am the webmaster for (I’m the one who got the mail, although not the one who posted it here; it’s fairly famous in the Lojban community).
-Robin
“I’m not stupid and people are not stupid who think samely with me.”
Awesome.
Hey come on, what about all the awesome made-up languages that are the result of two or more cultures blending into something new? It might be kind of nice to have a “common language” that everybody knows, and at least if it’s a made-up new one, it’s not English taking over the linguistic world, so shouldn’t that make him happy? Not that I think it’s practical that we’ll ever have a universal language of any kind…
I’m going to decide to think ’samely’ with him so I won’t be stupid too. LOL! Wait. Oops…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loglan
But just look how Esperanto took the world’s native, nationalist languages by storm and was a successful agent of the globalization conspiracy. I certainly believe samely with this emailist.
Oh come now. Let’s at least TRY to be open-minded here. How else are you going to handle it when the cultural imperialists have you under their boots?
GAH! STOP POSTING EMAILS WE’VE ALREADY SEEN! man, the last THREE posts have been ones I’ve already read. That’s just stupid.
Wow. It must be a conspiracy. Or, you just found out about the voting page. Where we vote on things. The best of which get moved to the front page. But yeah. CONSPIRACY!
When I was a kid (in the Reagan years) teachers always warned us that if we weren’t good little Americans we’d end up speaking Russian. Since I thought Russian sounded really cool I was actually looking forward to it. Stupid, lying teachers…
Lmao.. ya, stupid teachers..
That and the Russian national anthem is pretty kick-ass.
Some people need more human interaction.
… and yet, others need a lot less.
and some just need a hug
Lojban is a real language – much more difficult to learn than Esperanto and with completely different goals. And by the way the term is artificial language or constructed language.
Esperanto is for international communication. Lojban is for precise, clear and unambigious formulation of thoughts – essentially a spoken form of predicate calculus.
I do hope that people here will think of learning and using Esperanto. It really is a delight to use.
I’ve used it on my travels and for international contacts over many years.
The Lernu website offers the best introduction.
All countries use their own languages? Really? So there is a language called Canadian? One called American, one called Mexican, ect? Because I always thought we in America spoke -English- (albiet badly at times), the Mexican’s spoke Spanish, and the Canadians (being farked up) speak English AND French?
Don’t get me started on all the countries in South/Central American speaking Portuguese and Spanish.
I guess we’re all screwed, then.
Ontarians speak English and French? That’s news to them, you should go see them aboot that eh.
This isn’t an e-mail from a crazy person – it’s an ignorant website editor fail. The writer’s English may be horrific, but the essential point he is making – that a national language is often the key factor unifying a people as a separate nation – is a theory with a substantial pedigree, held by many in the fields of history and international relations. I can’t speak for lojban, but it’s absolutely true that some promoters of universal languages have expressly stated the goal of eliminating differences of nationality.
The writer could have expressed this point better (and with better grammar) but whether you agree with it or not, crazy it isn’t. And assuming that the writer was referring to “lolspeak” is just embarrassingly stupid. Googling “lojban” would have required ten seconds of effort.
Really? You took the lolspeak comment seriously? Dude, it was a joke. You’re smarter than that.
some promoters of universal languages have expressly stated the goal of eliminating differences of nationality.
Not national differences. National misunderstanding and hostility.
See? Not the same thing.
Wow. How many links to the Wiki article do we need?
“I absolutely know that language is the most important part of Nationalism.”
Funny, I thought culture and patriotism were the most important parts. So does this mean when a language evolves, it’s a threat to nationalism as well? Pretty scary, considering that language evolution is a constant thing. Also, to jab at the author of the e-mail yet a little more, when you use a language badly, such as this linguistic chainsaw massacre, is that also a threat? I mean really, how strong can your national identity be if it is shaken by an imagined threat of language invasion…
Nooo, the words, they’re coming to get me! Ahhhh!
Sorry, it’s late and I’m being weird.
makes we want to learn Lojban
Well, isn’t Korean a “modern language”? That was constructed mathematically when Koreans decided they shouldn’t use Chinese, as they weren’t Chinese, and thus built symbols to fit sounds. This sounds a bit less confusing than Korean, as it seems that one word won’t have eight homophones based on different Sino characters.
How delightfully incoherent of you.
The Korean _alphabet_ was constructed to fit the Korean _Language_, because Chinese _characters_ didn’t work well to write Korean.
Not really sure what you’re getting at about the homophones…Chinese words borrowed into Korean which are homophones? Words which are homophones in Chinese?
Ah I give up.
I’m currently reading “In the Land of Invented Languages” and I am quite confident this guy has NOTHING to fear.
“but I’m not stupid and people are not stupid who think samely with me.”
THAT’S the best part.