Joe writes, “This is an exchange between myself and a guy “adopting” tortoises through Craigslist. As you may know, selling animals on Craigslist is illegal. If you’re looking for a new home for a family pet, however, you’re allowed to do so and ask for a small (note: small) rehoming fee. Basically, you’re not to be profiting on your pet, just making sure they find a good, new home. I came across Josh’s ad for a few tortoises and the following is what took place…..”
From: Joe
To: Josh
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
I’d be interested in adopting these tortoises. I’ve already got one, so I know how to care for them. How much might your rehoming fee be?
From: Josh
To: Joe
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
The rehoming fee is $350 and they are well over 120lbs a piece.
You can also call at [REDACTED]
From: Joe
To: Josh
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
Wow, sounds more like you’re selling them. Can you justify your rehoming fee or are you trying to make a profit? I’m aware of their cost to purchase them at the store (as I said, I too, own one as does my brother). But, the pet stores have a license to ’sell’ them. A high, but not outrageous, rehoming fee might be around $100 each. If you’re ‘rehoming’ these tortoises at $350 for all three, then I’d say it’s justifiable, but still a stretch. Let me know, though. Thanks for your time and much luck to you in finding these guys new homes. Take care!
From: Josh
To: Joe
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
I put a lot of money into my tortoises and deserve to have my money back its peoploe like that want everything for free. If you have a problam call some one about it or stop by and we can see if you have any concerns with me or my set up from there.
From: Joe
To: Josh
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
Okay, calm down. Here’s how I look at it: You purchased these animals in hopes of providing them a good home and for your enjoyment. Circumstances have come up that made it difficult for you to keep said animals. So you’re telling me you need to be “compensated” for your time spent with them? You were going to spend that money and time on the animals regardless, unless you were planning to profit off them eventually from the start. It’s like expecting to recoup your losses if one of the tortoises had died. Also, I never once asked for anything for free, so please don’t accuse me of doing so. I’m sorry for taking up your time and I respect your decision. I do sincerely hope you not only can find a safe new home for these animals but also get at minimum what your asking for them. Sorry for the misunderstanding, good day to you.
From: Josh
To: Joe
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
The money we get from our torts goes back into there enviroment. Like tortoise matts at $137.00 apiece which we a dozan of sheds at $700.00 apiece for nice winter homes, lumber at $1,000 dollars, sprinklers ,trees, palm trees, grass, food. I’m sure that’s a ton more than what you do for yours. Like I said your always welcome to stop buy and look around ask for a license.
From: Joe
To: Josh
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
So you’ll still have some tortoises left or those last 3 are it?
From: Josh
To: Joe
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
How about this show us what you have I’m sure it’s a poor set up first of all because you can’t afford to give your torts what they deserve. How many acres do they have to roam? What do there sheels look like? We find torts good homes not poor set ups.
From: Josh
To: Joe
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
We destroy all clutches if produced. You sound like you need to get a life and bother some one else on graigs list. There is an over population of these torts in AZ so there for we do not breed we make enough money with out having to depend on animals for it. Like I said your always welcome to call or stop by and try to find some thing wrong.
From: Joe
To: Josh
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
I have one tortoise and he’s been happy and healthy since I got him 12 years ago. If it’s a bad living condition, he sure seems to be doing fine. Furthermore, I’m very pleased with this one and have no plans of ‘rehoming’ him or anything like that. But this whole thing has got me to rethink ‘adopting’ others. It may not be wise to try to care for more, since I’m used to having only one.
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I just received your other email, so I’ll respond to it here (to save you some time). As I stated before, my intent was not to get into an email argument. I believe you that you take the best of care of your many tortoises and see no need to stop by. My life is just fine. I’ve got Sundays off and have spent only a little while corresponding with you. If this had been during my busy week, I would not have done so. Anyhow, I apologize for irritating you on this beautiful day, time for me to get off the computer and take my grandchildren to the park.
From: Josh
To: Joe
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
I would love to see how you care for yours why don’t you send a picture of hime and let us tell you how fine he is doing, how much space does he have , or how much heat does he have, what do you feed yours? Does he get to roam free like they do in the wild? Ours do we put so much money and effort in to our torts we don’t need lonely people like your self worrying about our animals. I can gaurantee our animals have it 10 times better than your lumpy looking thing over there.
From: Joe
To: Josh
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
Nice email, first class indeed. You are free to continue to now waste my time, but I ask that you will reconsider. Go ahead and sell your top quality tortoises and I will continue to care for and love my one and only. Take care and Happy Holidays to you and yours.
From: Josh
To: Joe
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
“See” I knew it. Your so smart until you get your self into a situation. You don’t know anything about torts but yet your so smart.
From: Josh
To: Joe
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
Why do you feed your torts veggies? It’s not like they have fields of veggis growing in africa were these torts originated from. There built for dry grasses only, your forcing him to eat something that is not intended or natural to there diet.
From: Josh
To: Joe
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
Did you know there like little elephants that means they need to roam that’s what they are built for you have yours trapped in a little area probably driving him crazy.
From: Joe
To: Josh
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: African spur thigh monsters for adoption (Surprise)
Seriously? It looks as though you may be the one who needs “to get a life.” I wasn’t going to respond, but these last 3 (yes, three, Josh, three!) responses were priceless…. no pun intended. I’m not sure what ’situation’ I’m in exactly, but it’s not too difficult to tell who the smart one is. And where might you be receiving your so-called information (I use that word very loosely)? I have no need to tell you how I care for my precious tortoise, but as I stated before, he’s both happy and healthy. He’s been that way for 12+ years and will certainly outlive me, enjoying his life that way the entire time. If I am ever forced to part ways with my tortoise, I can assure you of one thing, I won’t ‘charge’ anyone anything. I’d either give him to a relative that I know will care for him as he should be cared for or I’ll give him to a shelter where, again, I know he will be taken care of (and I’m sure they’ll find him a new home).
Have fun with the tortoise mill you’re running out in Surprise, I truly hope it all works out fine for you…. well, that is, until the proper authorites catch wind of this. Take it easy!
Submitted By: Joe